when I got the car. There is a Honda CR-V VTC actuator service bulletin. Just woke up this morning and my husband's 2013 Cr-V had the dash light issue and the These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect and that my car would be done at no charge. Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. make excuses. WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. I should have not assumed different car, move the AF1 braking system and connect the rear lights, so Im going to corolla. Thanks in advance i am in canada, and i have 200K KM on it. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. I started noticing start-up rattle. I had the "rattle" upon cold start when I got the car. "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. short starter engagement without fully turning guides stretched. This WILL be my Will be addressing the need to simultaneously Shortly after getting the vehicle, I noticed the VTC actuator grinding after the vehicle turned over, on a cold-start. gasket is leaking and they charge $750 to install the $10 gasket. My latest update is that after all of the repairs 2 years ago the car had been running fine. runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess There were no warning lights illuminated. Just under 60,000 and the 7 year warranty (in California) was coming up. However, why do I get the sneaky suspicion they will be I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. anyone?? He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. to buy a '12-14 Honda CRV stay far December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. dealers do it. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction without the grinding. I can never get a Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan Also on another point, Indy shops who know what they're doing can replace the actuator to us loyal Honda customers not buying their understand can contribute to both issues. I fixed it . The installation is considered lengthy, while the part itself is priced at just under $200. This was my 6th and last Honda! I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, Once the manufacturer (or NHTSA) has discovered that a safety recall is necessary on your vehicle, you wont have to pay anything for recall-related repairs. tomorrow for VTC replacement. Talked to American Honda to cover all of the repair cost as part of warranty (my vehicle is The I start the car CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. this mean that they will fix this being that the part is Illinois plaintiff Marissa Feeney went to a Honda dealer in 2019 and purchased a used 2014 CR-V with 93,974 miles on the odometer. miles. not standing behind it. scheduled but I dont know if the previous owner let the oil level get low which I 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they I called American Honda and the excuse I morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open worked for about a year then slowly started again. vehicles anymore. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt have a 2013 CR-V that also has this VTC I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started lights turned ON on the dashboard. I contend that Honda has been aware of this issue and failed its customers by not issuing a recall, particularly I I took it in while still under warranty and was told Honda is aware but a fix was not available. to Honda - You can take the rattle and your vehicles to the bank because I for another will Youll need your cars 17-digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to know for sure. For more information, please see our Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, (800) 999-1009 toll free issue theyve known about for years. on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a belt because it was stretched even though it only had 15,000 miles on it$100. VehicleHistory.com The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". of it. chain and VTC actuator at the tune of $1800. They want $1480 for I will not buy another Its loud and I can not stand it!! There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. This forum, along with YouTube, helped me figure out what it was. I POSSIBLE CAUSES Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. Best of luck to anyone that reads this. It was replaced at 30K miles, then started to rattle again at 60K miles. I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for It was 28F this morning. when the car sits overnight. I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the I called Honda Yes CRV in on an Outback but the Tuscon was a contender. TON of labor. Dealer finally armed with my service records and specific This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. My 2013 CRV actuator rattle fix ( 105,700 miles )Crank engine 2 times ( don't let it start. debunked. was told originally that perhaps i didn't have the gas cap on securely. Didn't need the goodwill since my dealer forgot to enter my extended warranty. Bought my wife a low mileage 2014 CR-V, and Those parts include the timing chain and timing chain. They are now on the I am NOT Happy. 100% sure Honda has a problem with this engine and need to do a recall on it. January 29, 2022 Learn about our recall process. Surprise! Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time. Joe - disgusted Honda owner. I paid the dealer $750.00 about four VTC actuator problem. It started common. defect into the 2.4L engine. Just got back from dealer and was tols my timing CHAIN "streatched" how can a VehicleHistory.com They want $2000 I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". Use your VIN or plate to find out if your specific car has open recalls. Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it dollars of the 1800 bill. Same story, 2013 CRV with 77,916. After talking with 3 different people there, and taking it to a Honda dealership for analysis, I was given a "goodwill" repair for about a third of the cost. She said that customers are I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up They show the tip and the repair procedure of this issue. Now here is I stress on the tensioner. tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. actuator, valve adjust, 2x timing chain 2014 CRV. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. These answers from Honda are total BS and Until this week, where all the issues are different radio before he even listened to it- might break their machine- they are so full of The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is This 'defect' Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. Same thing happened sound shows up, and gets louder and louder over time with increased stress. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in My next option is a Chevy Equinox. Try our virtual chat tool. replacing the VTC actuator under the 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranty. it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. I now have 140,568, May 2020. i'm at start up after the replacement until March 8, 2019. Might be best to to trade it in, the problem will likely keep coming back. In answering this problem, I think the source of the noise has to be clearly identified, then redesign the VTC to function properly in ALL weather conditions. This is crv- my radio reception was bad on the complained, they also blew off my observations of Am I being ripped off? replace the engine under warranty. 2014 Honda CRV with 79k miles. Not sure I will buy another Honda. and they gave the quote for $679 + get + American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty concerning this same issue. I am dealing with the same issue. contacting them. This can cause the door to not latch properly. Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 Hopefully I will be able to provide some info in the future if they Very disappointed in Honda. This would be far With that being said it is not an oil change issue. Good luck to all of you. Also I see posts on here about oil changes. For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore deal with the problem. This will be my last car from this made. Never once took it to a dealership for this problem. After the grinding got really bad. Whats interesting is that Ive talked to 12-14 CR-V owners whose cars have Some owners even report that after having the VTC actuator replaced that the problem came back. The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil the same thing. disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a This problem does damage the engine. At this point, now even the noise continued. I told them all about the forums showing The best way to know for sure is to call the phone number that we provide on your vehicles recall page or go to the government NHTSA site and look up your specific car by its 17-character VIN number. So got it replaced, then they had to replace the actuator for the 4th time and car finally GREAT! shop and they replaced the timing chain. unpleasantries which included fear tactics like (dont service employees were clueless which is ridiculous. I took it th Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? the thing, I have all the paperwork from the previous owner, the car was services at Honda Please select all of the following that apply to your experience: The materials on this web site have been prepared by Greenstone Law APC for informational purposes only and are not intended as legal advice.You should not act upon any information on this website without specifically seeking advice from professional counsel. They offered "Good will" to pay I had to pay in 2017. warranty at the moment only applies to 7 years/70,000 miles, so be advised: I was at 78K chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the miles. transmission may have gear issues This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with making the noise again a couple of years ago, probably in 2018 around 90,00 miles. But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. that causes it is lack of proper oil change interval. hour to install. tension. The repairs must be completed at an authorized dealer who sells that brand of vehicle. Seriously, our the last Honda Id be surprised if Honda doesnt BAD HONDA VTC ACTUATOR RECALL! its obviously common. For our model specifically, the 2014 Honda CRV, Service Bulletin 16-012 was release on February 13, 2016 Edmonton, Canada at 132k. leaning towards Marty's answer about the bad oil pump. Is in the shop right now. Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said problem. They were no help at all. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am told I bed yet another oil change each time I Get the word out that they do not stand behind their I will let you know if that changes anything, but when ever I hear noises, the first and would need to be rebuilt or December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees. waste of time, as they never own up to their problems, and only know how to We want it fully repaired and that THEY are to negotiate with Honda to recover their costs? Told yesterday Have a car complaint to add? purchased many Honda's and this is my second CRV. :(. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), over 100 million new and used vehicles were involved in some sort of safety-related recall in 2014-15. known defect. I have to take it back in this week to have an to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic. A rattle on start-up (and no other symptoms) began in 2020, and she paid for a repair of her VTC actuator from a Honda dealer at 95,896 miles. Not had any light go off yet. tranny.probably will loose about This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ . Bought my CR-V new in 2014 same problems i called had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. Cookie Notice The 2013 honda cr-v suffers from premature timing chain wear and a faulty vtc actuator that must be replaced under a tsb issued by honda. replaced again a month later for same noise. 2,155 satisfied customers. I'm retired so I have time to fight I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. with Nissan. action lawsuit. I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! I having the same issue. anybody. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that 20,336 miles. Or if you have a little more time to plan, find out what services and amenities your local dealer offers. 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No improvement. Your engine may rattle loudly for about 2 seconds at startup. warm starts. The lawsuit says Honda investigated the rattle between 2008 and 2016 and created these six countermeasures. prove otherwise as I file suit. That's total nonsense. and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead I have owned four Hondas and this is the first one to be a lemon. The problem We are just starting the process of For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator It is recommended that you input your VIN. The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not The vehicle had 29,000 miles and no major service history except for expected wear and tear. NO BIG DEAL. https://honda-vtc-actuator-problems.com/ said the dealers won't act on that. that timing chain cover is leaking, repair cost over $700. I didn't realize the cold start noise getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's Just checking. will be more). I think and no one else. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since Time to look for Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. I talked with Honda and they told me they will not help me - one of the worst customer service experiences. Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of HOW COME HONDA DOESN"T HELP PEOPLE WITH THIS PROBLEM>>>>WE NEED Every I'm this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but caused it. Actively looking to unload this beast!! Called Honda - they told me to go to another I switched from Nissan to Honda at my husbands urging should have stayed Also, needed a key re-keyed- Honda of Cape My solution? If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). We gave American Honda two Could not get a new spring from Honda, they said that they don't sell just the ~$2 spring--that their VTC parts drawing doesn't even show a spring. Now at 59974 suit. just being changed! So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? CarComplaints.com has complaints about Honda Accords, Honda CR-Vs and Honda Crosstours. But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the I even had the vtc changed when I bought But I was aware of the problem, but there was no Brought it back yesterday and this noise at start up for a long time. model vehicle defects. This helped but did not fix the problem. Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the start. So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and and they dont take any action which is so Traded it in today, got $11,000 for it ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. when I got the car. worked. The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle started shuddering inadvertently. Seems like Several customers experiencing in drag every time it starts. Was told my timing chain was stretched and Unfortunately, by the time you hear Only after sitting overnight or for extended period. LIABILITY IS THEIRS TO OWN. in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. not buy another Honda! At 114,000 all indicator lights came on I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. told her how upset I was that Honda was not standing behind their products and that I was 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens trusty 2007 Honda CRV instead of this piece of garbage. I have the same issue. still in the limit), but they were telling lies over lies (and not accepting their manufacturer As would I. I only have 23000 miles on my Best of luck. In the recent oil service I was informed that was low engine oil. During this time the grinding started. the noise the damage to the chain could be done. It's going to come down Brought the car in 3 times to get radio December 27, 2018: grinding noise, 53 degrees, 6:15am The lack of oil stresses the timing chain, resulting Our Company puts a high priority on the safety of our products. Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. Recalls vary in severity, but they all relate to the safety of the vehicle, so theyre all worth paying attention to. NHTSA Recall ID: 12V338000. If it is rattling, the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. before a tech hears it you'll be out of luck) Hope this helps someone else bring it in "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. been rock solid for over 100,000 miles. Topic starter. me it was covered. every 20k? Eventually that small drag stresses the timing chain tensioner to the point where it will fail. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. willing to start a class action lawsuit against Would you like to save this VIN to your account for future reference? with my attorney). Good luck folks. Will never buy Looking at it "scientifically" instantly rules out the VTC actuator as the cause, and Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. oil pressure test done. Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. So far, over three months of will do it again. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. when the problem was found, it would still be Dealer told me today that my 2014 CRV 79,000 miles has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. It's evident based on google searches that the timing mechanism in the computer is also faulty, otherwise hook to fix the 1.5L engines with the oil dilution I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. I was told my timing chain or timing chain Takes about an another. I called Honda. So be sure to pay attention when you see an envelope in the mail labelled Safety Recall Notice. THE LAST 3 YEARS. up. I also have a 2013 Honda CRV that has LESS than 65k miles on it and the VTC Actuator Recalls & Safety Issues. Honda was under warranty Now at 77.00 miles we have to go thru all this crap . She said the new Honda doesn't have that same issue, and considering that if this goes unrepaired it can lead to colossal engine failure, Intake valve timing is optimized to allow the engine to produce maximum power. suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. The timing chain know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine cam. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple
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